MR Power

[Manie]

:bashcar: I got spanked last night by Mr MR himself, Mr. Scott.
Must be that big front mount, :lol: .

But George only has the stock IC and he Wipped me too, :mercy: .

:dunce:

[Geovannie]

Thats not good Manie lol. Was this after the meet? Did you race the red SRT4? If so how did that go?

[George]

That's because Jestr is my co-pilot. I may not be an expert, but I know when it's done right, and he is the man for the job...

Fourth time to the track with the car, 3 runs, 13.055, 13.004, and 12.955. Pretty consistent times, guess we're doing something right.

In his defense, Manie has me beat in 3rd and 4th gear pulls.

[Manie]

MR vs VIII was on the way home. I went and got some new plugs today. Holly Cow, 4 of them cost me 102.00. I will change them in the AM. The car is missing above 5K. I use alot of Octane Booster, every tank full. So I think the plugs went bad after 8K. We will see. I also think the BOV is missing me up. I am going to put stock one back in there. I have never done good again after the BOV fiasco I got my self into. Hope those two things fix the problem. The car just does not like any BOV other than the one it was born with, :bashcar: .
I am glad the Neon and I never tried. I think he would have :spank: me too, :lol: .
I had a little more than George from a street roll, but he got me on the 1/4 seeral runs, so that is the story. :)

[EaglesFly]

I went and got some new plugs today. Holly Cow, 4 of them cost me 102.00. I will change them in the AM. The car is missing above 5K.


HOW in the HELL does 4 spark plugs cost $102!!!!!??????

[SOLARSVXawd]

HOW in the HELL does 4 spark plugs cost $102!!!!!??????


damm manie are they made of gold, !!

[Geovannie]

Manie, you should have called me. We have Denso in stock for a lot cheaper than that. Both the stock replacement and 1 heat range colder.

Manie DO NOT TAKE THE GREDDY BOV OFF. Look for a problem elsewhere. It is not the bovs causing those issues. STOP RUNNING OCTANE BOOSTER. Either run race gas or run pump gas. Make up your mind.

Manie, regardless of what the dyno tells you, if people running 3-4 psi less than you are beating you, what does that tell you? You REALLY need to get a datalogger so you can see what I'm talking about.

[99AllTurbo]

MR vs VIII was on the way home. I went and got some new plugs today. Holly Cow, 4 of them cost me 102.00.

Spark plugs cost me $7+ dollars for all 4 at Discount Auto.

Even when I've used race gas in the past, I've kept the same spark plugs for at least 8k+miles. Car was still running great.

I have never seen where $20+ per spark plug is worth it.




Manie DO NOT TAKE THE GREDDY BOV OFF. Look for a problem elsewhere. It is not the bovs causing those issues. STOP RUNNING OCTANE BOOSTER. Either run race gas or run pump gas. Make up your mind.

Hit the nail right on the head Geo. The fact is a bottle of octane booster in a tank of 93 does not replace a couple of gallons of pure 100 or 110oct.

100% 93oct and 21psi, is the way to go.

100% 100oct (or 110oct) and 25psi is the other option.

My $0.02

[Stevevo8]

Manie, you should have called me. We have Denso in stock for a lot cheaper than that. Both the stock replacement and 1 heat range colder.

Manie DO NOT TAKE THE GREDDY BOV OFF. Look for a problem elsewhere. It is not the bovs causing those issues. STOP RUNNING OCTANE BOOSTER. Either run race gas or run pump gas. Make up your mind.

Manie, regardless of what the dyno tells you, if people running 3-4 psi less than you are beating you, what does that tell you? You REALLY need to get a datalogger so you can see what I'm talking about.

PM me with a price and part number for these plugs. (Colder) Thanks

[SOLARSVXawd]

Spark plugs cost me $7+ dollars for all 4 at Discount Auto.

Even when I've used race gas in the past, I've kept the same spark plugs for at least 8k+miles. Car was still running great.

I have never seen where $20+ per spark plug is worth it.





Hit the nail right on the head Geo. The fact is a bottle of octane booster in a tank of 93 does not replace a couple of gallons of pure 100 or 110oct.

100% 93oct and 21psi, is the way to go.

100% 100oct (or 110oct) and 25psi is the other option.

My $0.02

carlos stupid question, but i always mixed half pump half race,, do u run pure race gas? and what boost level would u say to run pure 110 and what levels would u say to run c16 ?

i guess its a general question

manie i have the turbo xs type h, works great no issues at all

[ScrappyJack]

"Would you piss in your favorite beer and expect it to taste as good?"

[99AllTurbo]

carlos stupid question, but i always mixed half pump half race,, do u run pure race gas? and what boost level would u say to run pure 110 and what levels would u say to run c16 ?

Mixing 100/110 oct with pump gas is not a bad thing, my point was that by adding a bottle of octane booster doesn't mean you can run the same boost levels (25psi) as you would with race gas.

Manie- just set the boost to spike to 21-22psi (on 93oct only) and it'll run well.

As fas as what boost levels you should run on different octane levels. I only know what works on my EVO (see my post above), but should work the same on 99% of the EVOs out there.

On a WRX, I have no idea.

[Manie]

Well, that is what the plugs cost at the dealer. Here is the receipt. I had the same problem with the Prelude. The plugs used to cost 22 each and Honda was the only one who had them. Then 2 years later Discount got them and only charged 9.99 each. So it looks like Mitsu is doing the same until a few years when they make so much money they can no longer stand it and then Discount will sell them for 9.99 too, :barf: .

Geo, the car revs different with either the Forge or the Greedy BOV. When I shift on higher rpms, the tach does not come down when I press the clutch down to shift. It stays up there and it even jumps up a few more hundred rpms. This drives me nuts since every time I shift I have to worry about that. I also had to lower my boost gain to near zero or else I get surge. I had it at 16 before and it spooled so quick it was not funny. Now I have more lag too. And I had to go from 80 % boost in the dial to like 69 percent. It does not do any of that crap with the stock BOV, and it drives fine and strong with it. I know it leaks because Fabio tested it in front of me, but at least it does not give me issues. I don't know what else to do man. I can't even shift quick because I am worried to hit the limiter or miss gear every time. 3rd to 4th is the bigest problem!

I did lower the boost to 22 psi last and the car seems to pull about the same as when I had it higher. I am going to listen to you and Carlos and see if it works better for me at the ever so low 21-22 psi. So I am going to put this new plugs in and change the Valve and see what happens. I got home late last night and tonight and could not make the changes.

I allways have used octane booster and in all my cars and I think that is the reason I never blown up. Do you guys think I am really wasting 9 dollars extra every tank full?

:confused:

[awd2liter]

Interesting octane booster article (http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/72498/) from Hot Rod Magazine.

[99AllTurbo]

Well, that is what the plugs cost at the dealer. Here is the receipt.

I knew you must have bought plugs from Mitsu. I thought you were going to use regular NGKs. They are not bad plugs at all. Just expensive.



I did lower the boost to 22 psi last and the car seems to pull about the same as when I had it higher. I am going to listen to you and Carlos and see if it works better for me at the ever so low 21-22 psi.

Sounds good. Your car should be nice an consistent that way. Spiking to 21-22psi and settling to 20psi won't do any harm. Just tune for 11.5:1 and the car will be consistent.



Do you guys think I am really wasting 9 dollars extra every tank full?

Maybe. You would have to do some track testing on 100% 93oct, and then 93oct and oct booster. I think it will run the same though.

[Manie]

Thanks for the Link John. I guess may be why I never Blew up on the Eclipse runing 24 psi and no FMIC. Who knows.
Thanks Carlos and Scott, I will try no boosters next week and see how it feels. Is going to be hard. At Discount they were geting read of the NOS Racing Formula and I purchased about 10 of those at 5.97 each. A steal Reg. price is 9.99, :lol: .

[mike66]

Well, that is what the plugs cost at the dealer. Here is the receipt. I had the same problem with the Prelude. The plugs used to cost 22 each and Honda was the only one who had them. Then 2 years later Discount got them and only charged 9.99 each. So it looks like Mitsu is doing the same until a few years when they make so much money they can no longer stand it and then Discount will sell them for 9.99 too, :barf: .

Geo, the car revs different with either the Forge or the Greedy BOV. When I shift on higher rpms, the tach does not come down when I press the clutch down to shift. It stays up there and it even jumps up a few more hundred rpms. This drives me nuts since every time I shift I have to worry about that. I also had to lower my boost gain to near zero or else I get surge. I had it at 16 before and it spooled so quick it was not funny. Now I have more lag too. And I had to go from 80 % boost in the dial to like 69 percent. It does not do any of that crap with the stock BOV, and it drives fine and strong with it. I know it leaks because Fabio tested it in front of me, but at least it does not give me issues. I don't know what else to do man. I can't even shift quick because I am worried to hit the limiter or miss gear every time. 3rd to 4th is the bigest problem!

I did lower the boost to 22 psi last and the car seems to pull about the same as when I had it higher. I am going to listen to you and Carlos and see if it works better for me at the ever so low 21-22 psi. So I am going to put this new plugs in and change the Valve and see what happens. I got home late last night and tonight and could not make the changes.

I allways have used octane booster and in all my cars and I think that is the reason I never blown up. Do you guys think I am really wasting 9 dollars extra every tank full?

:confused:

damn i have the same problem where the car keeps climing in revs. I have the forge valve too.

[Geovannie]

Its not just forge or greddy. I think you guys are just picky. Jarrod called me yesterday telling me his hks ssq does the same thing.

[ScrappyJack]

Thanks Carlos and Scott, I will try no boosters next week and see how it feels.

I wouldn't waste your time doing a butt-dyno comparison. If you don't have something quantitative (like track runs or datalogs) to compare, you are probably wasting your time. I would argue you are wasting your time and money running it without proof that it works, also. It strikes me as a Slick 50 for your car.

Then again, I never would have paid $100 for spark plugs... :eek:

Look at that link again. Notice how they said that the octane booster was most effective the lower the starting fuel's octane? You aren't adding that stuff to 87 in the Evo, you are adding it to 93.

They gained a tiny bit of power going from 87 to 87 + booster. They gained more power just by going from 87 + booster to straight 91. They then lost a little power adding the booster to 91. If you follow that pattern, you would be loosing power by adding that stuff to 93 octane.

As Scott pointed out, all of that could be moot given that article is about a 360ci Mopar V8 on an engine dyno built to run with low octane.

[Manie]

Jack, sounds right to me. I have allways used the stuff and may be got addicted! It probably makes the car run too rich or may be slowing down the fuel burning? Who knows. Please don't tempt to get me to back to the Dyno to test this... They are going to think I am nuts, :censored: at the shop.


Geo, we are not picky, what is the matter with you, :lol: . We just want the ultimate driving experience, :p .
I am glad I was not the only one with this issue. Must be something in the design of the Evo breathing path???
Sorry to hear Mike and others got to deal with it too! Let me know if anyone figures out the cause. I found a temporary fix. PUT BACK THE UGLY PLASTIC STOCK ONE, :cry: .