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    How to tune and what with question

    I know this is kind of beating a dead horse but i am wondering for a starter setup what would be the best way to go. I plan to run DSMLink in the future on the other motor but want a way to tune the setup i have. I only plan to run 20lbs. Mod list is as follows

    minor port work
    Garrett 60-1 p-trim on a tubular stainless mani
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    i will be upgrading to a FMIC as soon as it gets here
    but am running the stock side mount for now
    Wideband is also on its way

    I have been thinking about running a SAFC & pocketlogger, but i also like the idea of have Jester burn me a custom chip and and running a pocketlogger just to watch things.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated
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    I'm just curious, but what's wrong with your current setup that you don't want to run DSMLink? It is the best way to go in the long run, and I've always had the philosophy to buy parts once if I know what I want.

    To answer your questions, a custom Jestr chip works well if you don't plan on changing the fuel type or the boost pressure. Otherwise, an SAFC would be beneficial along with a baseline chip from Jestr.
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    I do see your point on buying parts once. I don't really want to run more than that as far as boost goes but the ability to run a different fuel type would be nice since e85 is readily available back home.

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    I agree with Stacy. He's quite knowledgeable on this stuff. On E85, you'll need bigger injectors. So, if you get a chip once, you'll another one to pop in when running E85, if I'm thinking properly.

    Anyway, DSMlink if you're smart, SAFC is you're cheap, Jestr if you're made of money (saying that you'll need multiple chips and tunes). I'm not being mean, just telling you if you run DSMLink, you won't regret it, you can save settings for different tunes (fuel types) and you'll learn soooo much about tuning - even if another car isn't operated by DSMlink.

    Good luck with you're decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woody91gsx View Post
    Jestr if you're made of money (saying that you'll need multiple chips and tunes).
    John does do a subscription deal though, just for these cases. It's on his website. In a case like yours, Joe, I think a Jester tune, with the subscription deal, is a good idea.

    Also, if you're planning on going to E85, you need ALOT more fuel work than just injectors...... Frank should be chiming in anytime about that. I think he has over $1000 in fuel setup alone, to run E85.
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    i think it should be around 1000... I wish Jose would post the pics of Raims new fuel setup. I hear it hums good.
    Joe, I feel like you want people to tell you SAFC when you already know DSMLink is the right answer.

    Yes, the SAFC would work. Now 20 lbs on the 60-1 and the 550's I don't know but the SAFC should allow you to max out the injectors.

    A Jestr Subscription + a SAFC would be about on par with DSMLink. I Think John can most likely do anything to the chip link can do. You will not have the ability to make changes on the fly other than small fuel only changes via the SAFC. This still leaves out the logging.

    DSMLink does it all include logging it a super simple package. For how basic the system is it is as powerful as can be. You get the advantage of having everything together, logging the knock, timing, fuel and everything else all in one. You can also make changes on the fly and it will support you in the near future during your next upgrade. I would guess you will be upgrading your injectors next because you are going to max out those 550's quick. It will be a breeze on link. The forums are great also for info.

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    You make some good points there slappy.

    And thanks for the new sig
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    Thanks guys, the 550's were a cheap buy about a year ago and i figured they would work better in the beginning than the 450 stock injectors. Running this setup, would 720's be to big?

    Who on the board can i buy DSMLink from? Or is it best to buy from them direct? Of course i'll need to get an eprom and have it socketed as well but I know Jester can do the socket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSMDealer View Post
    Thanks guys, the 550's were a cheap buy about a year ago and i figured they would work better in the beginning than the 450 stock injectors. Running this setup, would 720's be to big?

    Who on the board can i buy DSMLink from? Or is it best to buy from them direct? Of course i'll need to get an eprom and have it socketed as well but I know Jester can do the socket.
    There's no such thing as too big of an injector.

    I belive Ian or Woody is a Link dealer.
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    I think Jose is a DSM Link dealer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    I think Jose is a DSM Link dealer.
    That's who it is... My bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROYALGSX View Post
    There's no such thing as too big of an injector.
    To a certain extent this is true. Once again, decide what your hp goals are and go from there. Ball park, I would recommend 850cc injectors. You can always scale back larger injectors but you can't make 550's flow much more than what they are (aside from raising the base fuel pressure).
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    It seems like people are able to make 1150cc and smaller run like stock with DSMLink. I had 950's and just punched in the settings and the car ran better than stock.
    The 550's should take you a little ways though... if you max them out you should be able to make some secent pump gas power on them over stock. That most def will be your limiting factor.
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